tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post1327307905384015345..comments2024-03-23T11:34:22.691+00:00Comments on Orbital Bombardment - The Miniature Gaming Blog and Podcast: Invasion - What Did We Learn?Dan Cateshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15833384756094198088noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-19694259330332221752015-10-05T08:45:20.731+01:002015-10-05T08:45:20.731+01:00Yeah I agree,I think it is also the reason we have...Yeah I agree,I think it is also the reason we haven't seen any changes yet either. Hawk (unlike the community) don't tend to knee-jerk either. <br />Once players get used to seeing the new units it should even out a touch. Medusa still needs a points upping though Mega Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08817834640979979885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-87181558810094538622015-10-04T09:47:21.975+01:002015-10-04T09:47:21.975+01:00Agreed...Agreed...jdwelch62https://www.blogger.com/profile/09012158948009848728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-83329238182643064842015-10-03T14:22:40.740+01:002015-10-03T14:22:40.740+01:00One tournament, even if it is a major DZC event, i...One tournament, even if it is a major DZC event, is not enough time to assess new units. Saying that, I'd pay 10 points more for a Medusa. It's not comparable to Ferrum launched drone waves with such amazing speed, scout, AT and AA.<br /><br />I'm personally very happy with the recent tweaks to the game and see the outcomes from this event as a sign the game is in a very good place.SwordOfJusticehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01307602510929870149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-67108084829678836962015-10-01T13:51:06.993+01:002015-10-01T13:51:06.993+01:00I agree, Infantry to the walls or even MG/Gatling ...I agree, Infantry to the walls or even MG/Gatling fire can remove some essential DP from her. Also the Medusa needs to get pretty close, exposing her in the process and likely distance her from the rest of the army. Exactly what I did to handle 2 two times.<br /><br />The only army I see having some problems with her are Scourge and that is if you do not bring a Raider. In general units which save points for not having active countermeasures are a bit of a mismatch against Scourge as they cannot use it to their advantage in most cases. Lornnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-63343020600672700582015-09-30T08:16:52.219+01:002015-09-30T08:16:52.219+01:00The Medusa is absolutely NOT "almost impossib...The Medusa is absolutely NOT "almost impossible to kill without flame weapons". Any weight of fire attack, including Infantry shooting from buildings, will wear her down quickly to the point where you don't have to worry about finishing her off, especially if you take out her Triton X. UCM Longbows and any other template weapon, especially if you can get multiple templates on her, will wipe her out in one volley.<br /><br />It's pointless to take a Medusa without the Triton X, IMO, or at least one out of two must have an X to keep her in the game, and that puts her and her ride at 130 points, which is pricey, but I agree with Mike that she could go up a smudge, but the X is fine where it is now...jdwelch62https://www.blogger.com/profile/09012158948009848728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-27660528909817286262015-09-29T10:13:58.676+01:002015-09-29T10:13:58.676+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11969992112156977565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-75812060108328540892015-09-29T10:13:40.525+01:002015-09-29T10:13:40.525+01:00I think the medusa should be more expensive than t...I think the medusa should be more expensive than the ferrum. While the ferrum has anti air and anti ground capability, the medusa is almost impossible to kill without flame weapons, and the damage it can do is devastating. The only weakness it has is that it's damage output goes down with the damage it takes. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11969992112156977565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-37549177549408245952015-09-28T15:48:57.555+01:002015-09-28T15:48:57.555+01:00Hi Chris,
I think there are a couple of factors w...Hi Chris, <br />I think there are a couple of factors with the PHR now. First is the newness of the units. It is obviously taking people by surprise, that can be seen by the placings of ALL the PHR players at Invasion, of which most had Medusa and/or Valkyries. Players need to learn how to play against them. They are a lot easier to learn to play with than against!<br /><br />I don't advocate a knee-jerk reaction based on 1 tournament. I do, however, think that the Medusa is a touch too cheap for what she does. The Triton X and Valkyries are fine. <br />Mega Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08817834640979979885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-90431471864619077772015-09-28T15:41:52.272+01:002015-09-28T15:41:52.272+01:00Hi Sean,
As Ed said, it's not the nerfing of ...Hi Sean, <br />As Ed said, it's not the nerfing of the Shaltari, it's the blandness of the army and the way it makes you play that I don't like. I just don't find playing Shaltari fun. I said as much after I won Feb Invasion with them. I have only used them once since then. <br /><br />I do think the Gates going up in cost was a touch too far, but the rest was ok and needed. Mega Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08817834640979979885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-84970036186257294132015-09-27T08:43:02.695+01:002015-09-27T08:43:02.695+01:00That would make the X veeeerrry expensive as a lig...That would make the X veeeerrry expensive as a light dropship. A Triton A1 is 29 points, 11 points cheaper. Combined we pay 130 points for the Medusa+X; I could see the combo going up a few points, but I hope not so much as to price them out of contention. I think if the Medusa and the Triton X both go up in points, something else would need to come down to balance it out. Most PHR stuff is awefully expensive for the number of shots that we get per unit (Helios and Hades being the exception, but I think most would agree that they're fairly priced). A minor reduction to the Neptune and Poseidon would be a welcome trade off if the <br />Medusa & X "have" to go up in points, but I think it's still too early to make any judgement, the jury is still out, IMO...jdwelch62https://www.blogger.com/profile/09012158948009848728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-47094980251661952052015-09-27T08:36:01.550+01:002015-09-27T08:36:01.550+01:00I played a game today vs a total noob who had chos...I played a game today vs a total noob who had chosen Scourge. He did very well, besting my PHR by 1 VP in Targets. Good game. I felt a little bad around turn 4 because I was wrecking his stuff; in the end he only had is Desolator and its 4 Minders escort, plus a couple of Invaders with Infantry that had left the table with objectives. Point being, he bought the 2-Player Starter and a plastic Scourge Starter box, added a Desolator and some Minders, Prowlers and Intruder Betas and a blister of Reavers, got them all painted up and rocked it from there.<br /><br />I know people who really dislike the Shaltari aesthetic and so will never play them. I talked to a guy tonight who likes Resistance but absolutely hates Technicals and Wagons. Go figure. Taste is what it is, if the aesthetic doesn't please you, then by all means don't force yourself to play that faction. Personally I like them all, but I'm kinda obsessing over my PHR at the moment. Took a diversion with my Resistance and rediscovered why I love them so much, but have pretty much decided that I'll be using my beloved PHR at the LVO in February, a big reason being so much of it is already painted, whereas my Resistance is relative unpainted, and there's soooo much that would need to get done for the 2,500 point event.<br /><br />So, I'm rambling, I know, but if you don't like the looks of something, that's no crime nor shame... 8^Djdwelch62https://www.blogger.com/profile/09012158948009848728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-5186538997723660912015-09-26T20:56:38.436+01:002015-09-26T20:56:38.436+01:00I wonder if the answer might be to leave the Medus...I wonder if the answer might be to leave the Medusa alone or with only a slight change but to put most of the extra points increase on the Triton-X. Uglebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01610168838547812971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-19324117384587032912015-09-26T20:54:30.796+01:002015-09-26T20:54:30.796+01:00Aside from the dropships I really like the Scourge...Aside from the dropships I really like the Scourge bio organic alien look. I do kinda feel thst if Hawk ever start to rework the range some time from now then this is where they would start. Uglebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01610168838547812971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-57426541367435122502015-09-26T16:16:31.635+01:002015-09-26T16:16:31.635+01:00You really think the Medusa+Triton-X is worth more...You really think the Medusa+Triton-X is worth more than a Ferrum? Creeping Dementiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00211017243811422845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-55086576211396426732015-09-26T13:59:50.824+01:002015-09-26T13:59:50.824+01:00I think there are a lot of players who share the s...I think there are a lot of players who share the same thoughts as you bud. There are some models I still don't like (the Marauder and Raider to name a couple) but I have grown to love most of the range. The looks of the army is actually what prompted my outlandish colour scheme!Dan Cateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15833384756094198088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-3397430359973795172015-09-26T13:46:13.190+01:002015-09-26T13:46:13.190+01:00I've thought about picking up Scourge a couple...I've thought about picking up Scourge a couple times, as I think I would find the playstyle fun and challenging. I just can't stand the aesthetics though, they are the only Hawk models I really don't like. Shelving units for dropships, and eyes everywhere, not my thing, and converting an entire army at that scale would be a nightmare. <br />So thats just me, I wonder if that has kept others from going with Scourge as well? Creeping Dementiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00211017243811422845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-21886879345271399252015-09-26T12:15:51.120+01:002015-09-26T12:15:51.120+01:00Invasion was a blast! To make things better, there...Invasion was a blast! To make things better, there's another 2 day tournament in reading in November, providing it doesn't get cancelled. On PHR, I do think the medusa is too cheap for the points you pay for it. I think it should be closer to 130 rather than just 90.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11969992112156977565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-87334908234217357482015-09-26T12:14:30.753+01:002015-09-26T12:14:30.753+01:00I disagree with most of you! But then I'm hard...I disagree with most of you! But then I'm hardly a top tier player or the most experienced. ;) Feb invasion was my first ever tournament which I played using my hastily assembled PHR and came second to last. This time I came 23rd in a much larger field and racked up the second highest killpoint total of the tournament. I again brought PHR but fielded no Medusa or Valkyries. I really feel that people underestimate the longreach teams, they are a solid workhorse of a unit able to push enemy infantry off the walls, wear down Medusa sending them running for cover and pick off even heavy tanks at a steady rate. <br /><br />I had a squad of 4 Janus on the board that were a thorn in the side of several opponents to the point that some went out of their way to remove 'those annoying little things' as a threat. They are another underestimated unit and far from obsolete as nimble AA and scouts. <br /><br />There were quite a few Nemesis in use. Maybe not in the top lists but they were there and worrying opponents. I dont think that the unit is quite there yet but it is better than a lot of people give it credit for. <br /><br />Something that I felt was a bit different in this tournament was thst there were fewer players telling me that they are new to the game and unsure what they are doing. That may be because I was on higher tables but it felt like a more experienced room and that may be a factor. PHR players who were rookies before are more experienced now. Conversely UCM was much more popular this time and may be in less practiced hands. Knowing my army better helped me considerably. <br /><br />I do think the Medusa may need a few more points on her but having gone up against two without Triton-X support I found that they were both killable and didnt dominate the game. That opponent also fielded double Valkyries which I murdered with my Sirens. I think Valkyries are strong but about right, while the rules for Medusa also felt solid even if their cost is a bit out. <br /><br />The surprise to me was again that Scourge are not more popular. Their fast aggressive style feels like something that should click with more players. Uglebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01610168838547812971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-65131698614470187252015-09-26T08:17:23.063+01:002015-09-26T08:17:23.063+01:00I haven't been taking my Mercury Drones since ...I haven't been taking my Mercury Drones since the Valkyries came out, but I can feel the loss of their presence. I also find that Valks can and will die before the end of a game, and so I lose that forward SoI which hurts for late game Weapon Hacks and Drive Hacks. I'm going to have to go back to FFoR and try to work both of them back into my 1,500 point lists - but what, oh what, to take out?...jdwelch62https://www.blogger.com/profile/09012158948009848728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-22208653922293937302015-09-26T08:13:40.333+01:002015-09-26T08:13:40.333+01:00I think it just illustrates that it's the gene...I think it just illustrates that it's the general more than the faction that makes the difference.<br /><br />Just look at the first picture of this post: Joe, Mike and Dan at the Top 3 tables, and all of them with stellar records in major events in the UK. Throw Leopold and Darios into the mix, and it seems clear to me that these are the top generals in the UK/European theatre. (And Egge came in 10th, so I'd put him in that group, too.)<br /><br />PHR were not "regularly winning against Shaltari" except in Germany, Chris. That Leopold won Invasion his first time there is a strong indication to me that it's the general more than the faction. I just hope he and the rest of Team Germany are able to make it to future Invasion events so that the Brits and the Germans and the Swedes can continue to test their mettle against each other. I just wish it weren't so bloody expensive (and require so much time needed to be there to adjust to the time zone change to be effective at a 5 game, 2 day event) to get over there so we could add a bit of American flavor to the mix...jdwelch62https://www.blogger.com/profile/09012158948009848728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-13857039089206338732015-09-26T08:01:42.427+01:002015-09-26T08:01:42.427+01:00But you really need to take the Triton X with the ...But you really need to take the Triton X with the Medusa to fully utilize her throughout a game, as you pointed out. That makes it 130 to take that team. Is that too little? Dunno, but I hope Hawk takes it slowly and tries one thing at a time, not a combination of nerfs as you mentioned. Going down to 8 DPs could be too much combined with a points increase. We definitely need to see more data, and it is very revealing, I think, that Lorn won without taking a Medusa. Don't know if he was trying to make a point or just thinks that you really need two or none (as he's stated twice now) and really wanted to give his Apollos some time in the sun...jdwelch62https://www.blogger.com/profile/09012158948009848728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-18690537700293708882015-09-26T08:01:33.032+01:002015-09-26T08:01:33.032+01:00+1 to the dice roll or +1 additional dice? Slight...+1 to the dice roll or +1 additional dice? Slightly cheaper for Mercs + Triton, but in the days of bikes/atvs/medusa all of those pistol shots are good too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-73546232074026241992015-09-26T06:46:25.707+01:002015-09-26T06:46:25.707+01:00Its not light, but its also not Odinstar +2 Hades ...Its not light, but its also not Odinstar +2 Hades +More type 2s....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09954594467188712987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-76729042296290661452015-09-26T01:13:39.999+01:002015-09-26T01:13:39.999+01:00And the long reach the mercurys can have when they...And the long reach the mercurys can have when they conga line to an objective; )<br /><br />Rasmus Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3505622444708996182.post-66111787549574703102015-09-26T00:30:34.855+01:002015-09-26T00:30:34.855+01:00Well Im glad to hear that then. Its quite possible...Well Im glad to hear that then. Its quite possible its just me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09954594467188712987noreply@blogger.com